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Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« on: May 26, 2011, 09:21:12 pm »
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Please don´t use this word. Depilar (depilate) is what the ladies and some man do ;D.
We use the word "Barbear". Google Translate sucks :P.
Thank you for your review on the Vie-Long on TSR. Do you have a Simpson in two band?
If so how would you compare it to the SOC?
Hmmm, how can I know... Yes, some words can be inappropriate indeed. Thank you for that.

Yes, I do have a few Simpson brushes. They are really good. I was apprehensive before buying the first one, but let me tell you they worth what you pay for.

Here they are brand new (pre-bloom) along with the Shavemac D01 26mm two band custom:



and here with the SOC and also the Vie-Long AC.com 2010 LE:



The Simpson brushes are very very good. But it also depends on what type of hair you choose.
As you may already be aware of, the current Simpson 'Best' grade hair is reportedly one of the best ever sourced.
The result of this is that for the past months many people have been preferring to get their Simpson brush in 'Best' hair and not in 'Super'.

The Chubby 2 I have is a custom two band 'Super' with 50mm loft. This is by far the best brush I have.
I was originally debating whether to get it in 'Super' or 'Best', but then I was advised by a TSR member to get it in "...two band Super..." hair grade.
I did that and paid much more (compared to the same brush in 'Best') but can tell you that if you shave with such a brush only then you can see what 'very strong backbone and top softness at the same time' really means.

The Shavemac is a very expensive and extremely dense brush. It needs at least 20 shaves to get slightly broken-in.
It is a brush that will literally demolish any soap, any puck; nothing will stand in its way. Very soft tips as well.

The Duke 3 is in 'Best' hair but also custom spec, 50mm loft. A very dense brush, much more than you will need, very strong and typically soft at the same time.

The Simpson 57 is a very special brush on the other hand, and has a unique place in my heart. It is another custom Simpson, it has 'Super' hair and 52mm loft if I remember well (I believe the 57 only comes in Best but stand to be corrected). I bought it second hand and it mysteriously arrived to me damaged, with a long vertical crack in the handle. I then sent it off to a friend (TSR member) who makes custom shave brushes and shave soap bowls and he smoothed the handle. It is a very nice brush, good backbone, easy to handle, ideal for face lathering.

Of all these, the Simpson 57 in Super and the Duke 3 in Best may practically be compared directly with the SOC badger brush. The Vie-Long likewise of course.
The Duke is more dense, has a bit more backbone and is roughly as soft as the SOC (if not more). But the handle of the SOC is simply superb (ergonomically) in my opinion and this puts it in a class of its own.

You know, one has to try the different handles in order to see what fits him ergonomically. I tried the '1305' family of handles, for example, and was not thrilled. It was when I bought a Semogue 1250. But when I got my SOC boar brush, it won me immediately, I liked the kind of 'larger' 1250-style handle.

The SOC badger is a very nice brush for what you pay. I would say that any shaving enthusiast should have both a Semogue SOC and a Simpson badger brush at some stage.

Apologies for the long post but you asked a question and I had to reply - mods please feel free to move this in another thread or in the brushes board if necessary.
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 10:29:38 pm »
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Yes, I do have a few Simpson brushes. They are really good. I was apprehensive before buying the first one, but let me tell you they worth what you pay for.

My God K.!! This is some of the finest (no pun intended) brush porn I have ever seen!!  :o  :o
Thanks for your views on the matter, very enlightening indeed! I still think you should have tried the Semogue LE 2010, but if it makes you feel any better bleddyn (brush connoisseur extraordinaire) thinks the M&F Blonde Badger is far superior in every way, so our TSR brush will be glorious!!!
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 11:26:00 pm »
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Thank you for your insight of this, Konstantinos. Impressive collection of brushes you have there! :o Brush-porn indeed! :o
This information is just too good to stay on the SOTD thread; I took the liberty to relocate it to an appropriate thread in the brush forum.



Obrigado pelos teus apontamentos acerca deste assunto, Konstantinos. Que colecção impressionante de pincéis! :o Brush-porn autêntico! :o
Esta informação é demasiado boa para se deixar ficar no tópico do EdD; tomei a liberdade de a mover para um tópico apropriado no sub-fórum dos pincéis.
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2011, 02:52:47 am »
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Thanks for your insights and the brush porn, Konstantinos! ;D
I almost bought a Duke 3 in Best, but I was alfraid to get taxed. A shame.
But today I ordered my SOC 2. Let's wait and see how it works.
And congratulations for your collection!
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2011, 12:42:09 pm »
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Thank you for moving this here and thank you for your positive comments.
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2011, 07:50:25 pm »
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Beautiful brushes... Makes me want to have Simpson Chubby. ;D

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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2011, 06:37:35 am »
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Beautiful brushes... Makes me want to have Simpson Chubby. ;D

And the others of the photos too!!!
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2011, 07:52:55 am »
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Very nice brushes!!! ;)
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2011, 02:21:03 am »
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That's a beautiful collection of brushes, Konstantinos!

I have found myself tempted to get one purely for the aesthetics of such a brush.  Unfortunately, the advantage of two-banded badger is for face-latherers and, having very sensitive skin, I lather in a bowl.  As such, I want a loft with more flex, and the standard line of Semogue silvertips (730, 2015, and 2040), though less classy, functions perfectly for my purposes.

The only such brush I currently have is a Simfix Grosvenor with a Simpson two-banded loft.  I haven't actually used it yet, but I should give it a try.  If it did work out for me, I might order the Semogue SOC in two-banded badger, as I prefer a brush that is decidedly fan-shaped.  In fact, I would have to say that my main squabble with Simpson is that their brushes have such rounded lofts, which just doesn't work for me.

Thanks for the post and the photos -

   - Murray

Que bela colecção de pincéis, Konstantinos!

Eu já senti-me tentado para comprar um pincel daqueles puramente pela estética deles.  Desafortunadamente, a vantagem do texugo duas-bandas é para aqueles que fazem a espuma na cara, e eu, por ter a pele muito sensível, espumo em tijela.  Como tal, procuro a rama com mais flexibilidade, e os pincéis tradicionais da Semogue em texugo ponta de prata (730, 2015 e 2040), embora de menos categoria, funcionam com a perfeição para os meus propósitos.

O único pincel daqueles que eu tenho actualmente é um Simfix Grosvenor com a rama Simpson de duas bandas.  Não cheguei a usá-lo até o presente, mas devia fazer experiência com ele para ver.  Se chegasse a dar bons resultados para mim, eu seria capaz de encomendar um SOC de duas bandas da Semogue, pois prefiro um pincel em forma aplanada.  De facto, eu teria de salientar que o meu problema principal com a Simpson é a forma bastante redondada da maioria dos pincéis da marca, o que não funciona bem para mim.

Agradeço a tua postagem e as fotos -

   - Murray
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2011, 07:32:53 am »
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... e os pincéis tradicionais da Semogue em texugo ponta de prata (730, 2015 e 2040), embora de menos categoria, funcionam com a perfeição para os meus propósitos.
Caro CMur12, permita-me discordar de sua opinião, quanto a categoria dos pincéis da Semogue, de maneira alguma eles tem menos categoria, que qualquer outro, seja ele qual for. ;)
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2011, 07:02:31 pm »
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... e os pincéis tradicionais da Semogue em texugo ponta de prata (730, 2015 e 2040), embora de menos categoria, funcionam com a perfeição para os meus propósitos.
Caro CMur12, permita-me discordar de sua opinião, quanto a categoria dos pincéis da Semogue, de maneira alguma eles tem menos categoria, que qualquer outro, seja ele qual for. ;)

Amigo Gadrel, não é isso o que eu quis dizer, pois sou grande torcedor da Semogue!  Era que observo que os modelos tradicionais de texugo ponta de prata não têm actualmente a categoria ou a aceitação dos modelos em texugo duas bandas.

   - Murray
« Last Edit: May 31, 2011, 07:05:04 pm by CMur12 »

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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2011, 11:41:56 pm »
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... e os pincéis tradicionais da Semogue em texugo ponta de prata (730, 2015 e 2040), embora de menos categoria, funcionam com a perfeição para os meus propósitos.
Caro CMur12, permita-me discordar de sua opinião, quanto a categoria dos pincéis da Semogue, de maneira alguma eles tem menos categoria, que qualquer outro, seja ele qual for. ;)

Amigo Gadrel, não é isso o que eu quis dizer, pois sou grande torcedor da Semogue!  Era que observo que os modelos tradicionais de texugo ponta de prata não têm actualmente a categoria ou a aceitação dos modelos em texugo duas bandas.

   - Murray

Também tenho notado que ultimamente anda uma euforia nos fóruns por pincéis de duas bandas que só visto! Eu também gosto de pincéis de 2 bandas (e ainda hoje comprei um) mas um bom silvertip é algo que me fascina. Prefiro suavidade.

Murray, acho esse Simfix Grosvenor muito bonito. Adoro esse cabo Grosvenor da Vulfix. Se esse pincel não lhe der bons resultados, eu não me importo nada de lhe dar um bom lar! :D
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011, 12:13:22 am »
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Pois é, Emanuel!

Comprei o "Simfix" Grosvenor EL em duas bandas porque, pelo menos nas fotos, tinha a rama menos redonda e o cabo mais confortável de segurar.

Fiz umas espumas preparatórias com ele ontem.  Sempre tem a forma mais redonda do que os meus Semogue e tive que fazer ajustes na minha técnica de espumar, mas fez bem.  Vou usá-lo no barbear de hoje à noite!

  - Murray

PD.  Estou a pensar que vou ficar com ele.  ;D

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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 12:21:48 am »
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Pois é, Emanuel!

Comprei o "Simfix" Grosvenor EL em duas bandas porque, pelo menos nas fotos, tinha a rama menos redonda e o cabo mais confortável de segurar.

Fiz umas espumas preparatórias com ele ontem.  Sempre tem a forma mais redonda do que os meus Semogue e tive que fazer ajustes na minha técnica de espumar, mas fez bem.  Vou usá-lo no barbear de hoje à noite!

  - Murray

PD.  Estou a pensar que vou ficar com ele.  ;D

LOL :D Ao menos tentei! :D Brincadeira!
Boa sorte, Murray, e que desfrute do pincel! ;)
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Re:Semogue SOC 2-band vs Simpson 2-band
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2011, 08:18:34 am »
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... e os pincéis tradicionais da Semogue em texugo ponta de prata (730, 2015 e 2040), embora de menos categoria, funcionam com a perfeição para os meus propósitos.
Caro CMur12, permita-me discordar de sua opinião, quanto a categoria dos pincéis da Semogue, de maneira alguma eles tem menos categoria, que qualquer outro, seja ele qual for. ;)

Amigo Gadrel, não é isso o que eu quis dizer, pois sou grande torcedor da Semogue!  Era que observo que os modelos tradicionais de texugo ponta de prata não têm actualmente a categoria ou a aceitação dos modelos em texugo duas bandas.

   - Murray
Caro Murray, também admiro muito os Duas Bandas que estão em alta, no momento, mas não consigo abrir mão da suavidade dos Punta de Plata!
E viva a Semogue!
Abraços, Caro Murray:D
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